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	<title>Comments on: Fed up! Raiding sucks as a sole form of end game content.</title>
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		<title>By: Muckbeast</title>
		<link>http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/arrogance/fed-up-raiding-sucks-as-a-sole-form-of-end-game-content.html/comment-page-1#comment-4332</link>
		<dc:creator>Muckbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 04:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yippee, that is exactly why I didn&#039;t get suckered in by WotLK expansion, and won&#039;t be lured in by Cataclysm. I know I&#039;d enjoy the leveling, but be pissed off when I got to the raiding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yippee, that is exactly why I didn&#8217;t get suckered in by WotLK expansion, and won&#8217;t be lured in by Cataclysm. I know I&#8217;d enjoy the leveling, but be pissed off when I got to the raiding.</p>
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		<title>By: Yippee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yippee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with this posters general thinking. I like the journey to the &quot;end game&quot; but then the gamechanges and game play is much more different than the journey. If I wanted to switch games i would. I feel that the dev&#039;s owe it to the subs to continually add content that rivals the original journey.

Is there any games on the market that anyone would suggest? I heard Fallen Earth has no raiding and that the best items in the game can be crafted which sounds like music to my ears but then trying the game i found it lacking in journey...

I know the post is old but the problem is still there, and only getting worse. Take Cataclysm, sounds like a wonderful journey but I am hesitant to take it because I know I will end up at the same brick wall of game play that I am at now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this posters general thinking. I like the journey to the &#8220;end game&#8221; but then the gamechanges and game play is much more different than the journey. If I wanted to switch games i would. I feel that the dev&#8217;s owe it to the subs to continually add content that rivals the original journey.</p>
<p>Is there any games on the market that anyone would suggest? I heard Fallen Earth has no raiding and that the best items in the game can be crafted which sounds like music to my ears but then trying the game i found it lacking in journey&#8230;</p>
<p>I know the post is old but the problem is still there, and only getting worse. Take Cataclysm, sounds like a wonderful journey but I am hesitant to take it because I know I will end up at the same brick wall of game play that I am at now.</p>
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		<title>By: Muckbeast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muckbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aislingi, to everything you posted all I can really say is:

/agree

Regarding Dailies specifically: I have seen this concept implemented well, and poorly.

&lt;strong&gt;Well&lt;/strong&gt;: When your game has a small number (like 2 or 3) of special &quot;daily mission&quot; NPCs. Doing these daily missions can have a large reward, because you can only do a small number of them per day. Thus, doing them seems special - almost a reward for playing (Examples: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.primordiax.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Primordiax&lt;/a&gt;, Anarchy Online).

&lt;strong&gt;Badly&lt;/strong&gt;: Hundreds of Daily missions that feel like punching in on a timeclock at a factory. You have to spend hours a day doing &quot;dailies&quot; to make money for all the consumables, armor repairs, etc. you need for raiding. Ugh. Barf. (Examples: WoW).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aislingi, to everything you posted all I can really say is:</p>
<p>/agree</p>
<p>Regarding Dailies specifically: I have seen this concept implemented well, and poorly.</p>
<p><strong>Well</strong>: When your game has a small number (like 2 or 3) of special &#8220;daily mission&#8221; NPCs. Doing these daily missions can have a large reward, because you can only do a small number of them per day. Thus, doing them seems special &#8211; almost a reward for playing (Examples: <a href="http://www.primordiax.com" rel="nofollow">Primordiax</a>, Anarchy Online).</p>
<p><strong>Badly</strong>: Hundreds of Daily missions that feel like punching in on a timeclock at a factory. You have to spend hours a day doing &#8220;dailies&#8221; to make money for all the consumables, armor repairs, etc. you need for raiding. Ugh. Barf. (Examples: WoW).</p>
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		<title>By: Aislingi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aislingi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Players use pretty words like &quot;progression&quot;.
However, what it really is, is pushing a giant stone wheel slowly up an infinitely tall mountain.
Or a piece of cheese, at the end of an ever expanding maze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Players use pretty words like &#8220;progression&#8221;.<br />
However, what it really is, is pushing a giant stone wheel slowly up an infinitely tall mountain.<br />
Or a piece of cheese, at the end of an ever expanding maze.</p>
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		<title>By: Aislingi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aislingi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loath WoW raiding.
It seems just about all of WoW&#039;s systems are generated by time sinking elitists, for elitists.
Everything WoW devs do, seems to enforce a mentality of lording something over someone else. 
The loot system is a lazy one. An antiquated system, of providing just enough loot, to keep the sheep coming back every week. To make the most out of minimum content.

And for what?
To have it all become obsolete in a matter of months? 
I have no idea why, right now, people are fighting so hard for Icecrown stuff, when it all becomes garbage in a month or two.

I quit, because all WoW was for me was:
DailiesDailiesDailiesRaidDailiesRaidDailiesDailiesRaid

It certainly didn&#039;t help that Raids are like Michael Bay directed square dances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loath WoW raiding.<br />
It seems just about all of WoW&#8217;s systems are generated by time sinking elitists, for elitists.<br />
Everything WoW devs do, seems to enforce a mentality of lording something over someone else.<br />
The loot system is a lazy one. An antiquated system, of providing just enough loot, to keep the sheep coming back every week. To make the most out of minimum content.</p>
<p>And for what?<br />
To have it all become obsolete in a matter of months?<br />
I have no idea why, right now, people are fighting so hard for Icecrown stuff, when it all becomes garbage in a month or two.</p>
<p>I quit, because all WoW was for me was:<br />
DailiesDailiesDailiesRaidDailiesRaidDailiesDailiesRaid</p>
<p>It certainly didn&#8217;t help that Raids are like Michael Bay directed square dances.</p>
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		<title>By: JediOfTheShire</title>
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		<dc:creator>JediOfTheShire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 02:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I did read that post and it saddens me still that no private servers have popped up after its demise. That&#039;s actually what I meant when I said I didn&#039;t want Stargate Worlds to become Tabula Rasa Act 2. I&#039;m hoping that the angel funding doesn&#039;t help them finish the game only to have it taken offline right after launch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I did read that post and it saddens me still that no private servers have popped up after its demise. That&#8217;s actually what I meant when I said I didn&#8217;t want Stargate Worlds to become Tabula Rasa Act 2. I&#8217;m hoping that the angel funding doesn&#8217;t help them finish the game only to have it taken offline right after launch.</p>
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		<title>By: Muckbeast</title>
		<link>http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/arrogance/fed-up-raiding-sucks-as-a-sole-form-of-end-game-content.html/comment-page-1#comment-3274</link>
		<dc:creator>Muckbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tabula Rasa, act 2. LOL.

That was actually a pretty decent game in the end. 

I blogged about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/gaming_industry/the-closing-of-tabula-rasa-a-warning-to-the-mmo-industry.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tabula Rasa shutdown&lt;/a&gt; in case you missed it. I am still shocked there have never been any private server projects for the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tabula Rasa, act 2. LOL.</p>
<p>That was actually a pretty decent game in the end. </p>
<p>I blogged about the <a href="http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/gaming_industry/the-closing-of-tabula-rasa-a-warning-to-the-mmo-industry.html" rel="nofollow">Tabula Rasa shutdown</a> in case you missed it. I am still shocked there have never been any private server projects for the game.</p>
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		<title>By: JediOfTheShire</title>
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		<dc:creator>JediOfTheShire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic! Now here&#039;s hoping that it wont just be Tabula Rasa Act 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic! Now here&#8217;s hoping that it wont just be Tabula Rasa Act 2.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SGW recently acquired some &quot;angel&quot; funding that should let them finish the game.  I&#039;m really hoping they pull off even half of what they had in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SGW recently acquired some &#8220;angel&#8221; funding that should let them finish the game.  I&#8217;m really hoping they pull off even half of what they had in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: JediOfTheShire</title>
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		<dc:creator>JediOfTheShire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 04:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Real tactical decisions… that’s what I want.&quot;

If Stargate Worlds doesn&#039;t go under (I&#039;m pretty sure it has, their community page last had a post in May of this year D:) then it might give you some semblance of what you&#039;re looking for. Selecting the best cover to fire from seems to me to be infinitely more exciting than sitting back and clicking #2 key and the occasional #1 key, which is currently what I do in WoW when I raid with my Mage. We should all start praying now because it looks like it&#039;ll take an act of God to get SG:Worlds off the ground, and it just might be fresh enough to move MMOs in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Real tactical decisions… that’s what I want.&#8221;</p>
<p>If Stargate Worlds doesn&#8217;t go under (I&#8217;m pretty sure it has, their community page last had a post in May of this year D:) then it might give you some semblance of what you&#8217;re looking for. Selecting the best cover to fire from seems to me to be infinitely more exciting than sitting back and clicking #2 key and the occasional #1 key, which is currently what I do in WoW when I raid with my Mage. We should all start praying now because it looks like it&#8217;ll take an act of God to get SG:Worlds off the ground, and it just might be fresh enough to move MMOs in the right direction.</p>
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