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	<title>Comments on: Mark Jacobs sacked by EA</title>
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		<title>By: Muckbeast</title>
		<link>http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/arrogance/mark-jacobs-sacked-by-ea.html/comment-page-1#comment-3308</link>
		<dc:creator>Muckbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be interested to know the current population as well.

I know they are down from 70+ servers to 6, and there is already talk of another merge. Phoenix Throne, the last remaining RP server, is the least populated. If it gets merged, WAR will probably lose almost all of those people. Folks who play on the RP servers rarely want to play with &quot;NosePicker the Bright Wizard.&quot;

I do not think Warhammer will survive to its 2nd anniversary. That will bring EA&#039;s MMO epic fail total to what.. 3? 4? More?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested to know the current population as well.</p>
<p>I know they are down from 70+ servers to 6, and there is already talk of another merge. Phoenix Throne, the last remaining RP server, is the least populated. If it gets merged, WAR will probably lose almost all of those people. Folks who play on the RP servers rarely want to play with &#8220;NosePicker the Bright Wizard.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do not think Warhammer will survive to its 2nd anniversary. That will bring EA&#8217;s MMO epic fail total to what.. 3? 4? More?</p>
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		<title>By: Killerbee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Killerbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys
Do you guys know the real population of WAR? under 100k? 200k?
On WAR census it appears less then 60k

thx alot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys<br />
Do you guys know the real population of WAR? under 100k? 200k?<br />
On WAR census it appears less then 60k</p>
<p>thx alot!</p>
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		<title>By: Aanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The OP and Outsider certainly summed up the problems of Warhammer.
It is extremely unsatisfactory to play a game that comes with unkillable characters in 1 vs 1 battles. And those happens now and then both in the Rvr zones as well at times when in SC&#039;s - when you ever get into one (not often).

Sadly since previous posters commented I can only say that both EA and Goa appear to be giving up. I&#039;m unable to pay for the game on the Eu site, and they closed the account even though its their payment system that&#039;s on the blink. And no solution for that, so just let me add that as a factor....

Item Z: Players who still wanted to play couldn&#039;t pay for their subscription and had their accounts disabled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OP and Outsider certainly summed up the problems of Warhammer.<br />
It is extremely unsatisfactory to play a game that comes with unkillable characters in 1 vs 1 battles. And those happens now and then both in the Rvr zones as well at times when in SC&#8217;s &#8211; when you ever get into one (not often).</p>
<p>Sadly since previous posters commented I can only say that both EA and Goa appear to be giving up. I&#8217;m unable to pay for the game on the Eu site, and they closed the account even though its their payment system that&#8217;s on the blink. And no solution for that, so just let me add that as a factor&#8230;.</p>
<p>Item Z: Players who still wanted to play couldn&#8217;t pay for their subscription and had their accounts disabled.</p>
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		<title>By: Muckbeast</title>
		<link>http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/arrogance/mark-jacobs-sacked-by-ea.html/comment-page-1#comment-3220</link>
		<dc:creator>Muckbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read &quot;fix this even if it fucks things up more.&quot; That doesn&#039;t really make sense. 

What exactly are people saying without thinking? 

How do populations provide better class balance would &quot;screw the game.&quot; The lack of class balance is WHY the realm population is totally borked, and Order has a gigantic advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read &#8220;fix this even if it fucks things up more.&#8221; That doesn&#8217;t really make sense. </p>
<p>What exactly are people saying without thinking? </p>
<p>How do populations provide better class balance would &#8220;screw the game.&#8221; The lack of class balance is WHY the realm population is totally borked, and Order has a gigantic advantage.</p>
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		<title>By: Moxa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moxa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people aren&#039;t thinking what you are saying through. I&#039;m sure the balance needs some adjustment, but the populations prove that any adjustment would screw the game. 

I can&#039;t believe how many times I read conflicting &quot;waahhh! this needs fixing, but fix this too, even if it fucks it up more!!!&quot;

Anyway, too late. The game was teen rated anyway, so that made it automatically suck to me even though Wow is rated teen, you can tell the devs understood the needs of adults&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people aren&#8217;t thinking what you are saying through. I&#8217;m sure the balance needs some adjustment, but the populations prove that any adjustment would screw the game. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe how many times I read conflicting &#8220;waahhh! this needs fixing, but fix this too, even if it fucks it up more!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, too late. The game was teen rated anyway, so that made it automatically suck to me even though Wow is rated teen, you can tell the devs understood the needs of adults&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Muckbeast</title>
		<link>http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/arrogance/mark-jacobs-sacked-by-ea.html/comment-page-1#comment-3060</link>
		<dc:creator>Muckbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that right there gets at the heart of it. Every DoK I knew said the same. As a healer, you spend most of your time away from the enemy. So that PBAE stun wasn&#039;t such a hot thing. But the BWs just exploited the heck out of it every time it was up. Add some non mirroed talents like +50% AoE radius to the actual GOOD AOE spells, and a number of dmg proc talents, and there is your problem.

Better morales and better talents does not make for a true &quot;mirror.&quot; Adding AoE cleanse every 5 seconds and its even worse.

It will be interesting to see if new managements deal with this, and if so how fast.

The Land of the Dead expansion felt a heck of a lot like Trials of Atlantis. So much so that I gave up on the few hours a week I had to play, and canceled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that right there gets at the heart of it. Every DoK I knew said the same. As a healer, you spend most of your time away from the enemy. So that PBAE stun wasn&#8217;t such a hot thing. But the BWs just exploited the heck out of it every time it was up. Add some non mirroed talents like +50% AoE radius to the actual GOOD AOE spells, and a number of dmg proc talents, and there is your problem.</p>
<p>Better morales and better talents does not make for a true &#8220;mirror.&#8221; Adding AoE cleanse every 5 seconds and its even worse.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see if new managements deal with this, and if so how fast.</p>
<p>The Land of the Dead expansion felt a heck of a lot like Trials of Atlantis. So much so that I gave up on the few hours a week I had to play, and canceled.</p>
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		<title>By: Outsider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a DoK, and I say without hesitation, if the price of BWs losing their PBAoE CC is me losing mine, I&#039;d -GLADLY- give it up.  I don&#039;t want it in game, period.  Even if I&#039;m benefitting from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a DoK, and I say without hesitation, if the price of BWs losing their PBAoE CC is me losing mine, I&#8217;d -GLADLY- give it up.  I don&#8217;t want it in game, period.  Even if I&#8217;m benefitting from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Muckbeast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muckbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Lol because DoK’s with the same Morale 2 AoE disable isn’t a problem? 

Yeah, its not. Because DoKs are a healer.

For bomb teams, having the AoE disable on the same class as the one doing the bombing is TONS easier. You have 1 class that does both rather than needing 2 people to be perfectly coordinated to setup the bomb.

Since they never really solved the whole &quot;melee healer&quot; concept, DoKs and WPs who heal stand back like traditional healers. Thus, having the AoE disable on a DoK is not really a huge help. They are standing back healing. A PBAE disable on that class means they have to run forward, hit it at just he right time, then run back. All the while, they are *NOT HEALING*. 

Whereas the BW just runs around spamming instant cast AoEs, and hits the AoE disable at the appropriate time, then continues blasting away.

I played both sides actually. Anyone who is being honest knows BWs have been out of control from the beginning, and WPs joined them once they added the offhands for regen. But Mythic got themselves in that position because of the huge population imbalance at the beginning resulting from Order races/classes looking retarded, and 60%+ people going destroy. Again, that is the problem with having only 2 sides. So they were afraid to balance the classes, because overpowered BWs (and later WPs) was the only thing keeping people playing Order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> Lol because DoK’s with the same Morale 2 AoE disable isn’t a problem? </p>
<p>Yeah, its not. Because DoKs are a healer.</p>
<p>For bomb teams, having the AoE disable on the same class as the one doing the bombing is TONS easier. You have 1 class that does both rather than needing 2 people to be perfectly coordinated to setup the bomb.</p>
<p>Since they never really solved the whole &#8220;melee healer&#8221; concept, DoKs and WPs who heal stand back like traditional healers. Thus, having the AoE disable on a DoK is not really a huge help. They are standing back healing. A PBAE disable on that class means they have to run forward, hit it at just he right time, then run back. All the while, they are *NOT HEALING*. </p>
<p>Whereas the BW just runs around spamming instant cast AoEs, and hits the AoE disable at the appropriate time, then continues blasting away.</p>
<p>I played both sides actually. Anyone who is being honest knows BWs have been out of control from the beginning, and WPs joined them once they added the offhands for regen. But Mythic got themselves in that position because of the huge population imbalance at the beginning resulting from Order races/classes looking retarded, and 60%+ people going destroy. Again, that is the problem with having only 2 sides. So they were afraid to balance the classes, because overpowered BWs (and later WPs) was the only thing keeping people playing Order.</p>
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		<title>By: nighthawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nighthawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3) Nerf Bright Wizards massively. No more morale 2 AoE disable. Less CC in general. Less damage.

Lol because DoK&#039;s with the same Morale 2 AoE disable isn&#039;t a problem? 

Start with no CC and move on from there imo.

Assuming you&#039;re a destro player for the obvious bias in issues with WAR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3) Nerf Bright Wizards massively. No more morale 2 AoE disable. Less CC in general. Less damage.</p>
<p>Lol because DoK&#8217;s with the same Morale 2 AoE disable isn&#8217;t a problem? </p>
<p>Start with no CC and move on from there imo.</p>
<p>Assuming you&#8217;re a destro player for the obvious bias in issues with WAR.</p>
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		<title>By: Muckbeast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muckbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lack of three realms really was a critical error that I think they never recovered from.

And the class &quot;mirror&quot; idea was basically a half-ass move from the DAoC style (totally different classes in all realms, and a balance nightmare) towards the WoW style (same classes on both sides). To paraphrase Mr. Miyagi, they got squished like grape by trying to walk the middle.

Yes, there are people who will stomp around insisting that different classes is better, but:

1) A lot of these people want different classes because they want to exploit the balance failures.

2) Very few people ever didn&#039;t play or quit a game because both sides had the same classes. 

So catering to these people really gains you nothing, and costs you everything.

PvP/RvR without balance is an absolute failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lack of three realms really was a critical error that I think they never recovered from.</p>
<p>And the class &#8220;mirror&#8221; idea was basically a half-ass move from the DAoC style (totally different classes in all realms, and a balance nightmare) towards the WoW style (same classes on both sides). To paraphrase Mr. Miyagi, they got squished like grape by trying to walk the middle.</p>
<p>Yes, there are people who will stomp around insisting that different classes is better, but:</p>
<p>1) A lot of these people want different classes because they want to exploit the balance failures.</p>
<p>2) Very few people ever didn&#8217;t play or quit a game because both sides had the same classes. </p>
<p>So catering to these people really gains you nothing, and costs you everything.</p>
<p>PvP/RvR without balance is an absolute failure.</p>
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