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	<title>Comments on: Sleazy MMO Marketing &#8211; A Growing, Disturbing Trend</title>
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		<title>By: Barrett Finseth</title>
		<link>http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/gaming_industry/sleazy-mmo-marketing-a-growing-disturbing-trend.html/comment-page-2#comment-7616</link>
		<dc:creator>Barrett Finseth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Muckbeast &#187; Parody of Evony&#8217;s Sleazy Marketing</title>
		<link>http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/gaming_industry/sleazy-mmo-marketing-a-growing-disturbing-trend.html/comment-page-2#comment-6125</link>
		<dc:creator>Muckbeast &#187; Parody of Evony&#8217;s Sleazy Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] year and a half ago I blogged about Sleazy Marketing in the MMO Industry, and of course Evony was a major part of that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] year and a half ago I blogged about Sleazy Marketing in the MMO Industry, and of course Evony was a major part of that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Titos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Titos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your success is not on your own terms, if it looks good to the world but does not feel good in your heart, it is not success at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your success is not on your own terms, if it looks good to the world but does not feel good in your heart, it is not success at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Muckbeast</title>
		<link>http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/gaming_industry/sleazy-mmo-marketing-a-growing-disturbing-trend.html/comment-page-2#comment-3582</link>
		<dc:creator>Muckbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. You know, I understand how items in games can do things you don&#039;t expect. But tooltip info is hand written generally. It says what it is supposed to say.

For as unique an item as a purchase incentive, don&#039;t you make SURE it is right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. You know, I understand how items in games can do things you don&#8217;t expect. But tooltip info is hand written generally. It says what it is supposed to say.</p>
<p>For as unique an item as a purchase incentive, don&#8217;t you make SURE it is right?</p>
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		<title>By: Beorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They ended up locking both threads about the cloak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They ended up locking both threads about the cloak.</p>
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		<title>By: Beorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah a 30 minute in combat buff is pretty powerful.  There are only a few 20s IC speed buff items in the game now.

Here is the thread about it.http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=303066

The devs say that it was never meant to give an in combat buff and that it never did.  But the tooltip when you click on the item says it&#039;s supposed to.  So they&#039;re &quot;fixing&quot; the item by changing the tooltip to show that it&#039;s an out of combat only buff.  Instead of fixing the item to work the way the tooltip says it&#039;s supposed to work.    

I can&#039;t prove it but I think they snuck in a hot fix for the item during one of their maintenances because it&#039;s not working in combat now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah a 30 minute in combat buff is pretty powerful.  There are only a few 20s IC speed buff items in the game now.</p>
<p>Here is the thread about it.http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=303066</p>
<p>The devs say that it was never meant to give an in combat buff and that it never did.  But the tooltip when you click on the item says it&#8217;s supposed to.  So they&#8217;re &#8220;fixing&#8221; the item by changing the tooltip to show that it&#8217;s an out of combat only buff.  Instead of fixing the item to work the way the tooltip says it&#8217;s supposed to work.    </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t prove it but I think they snuck in a hot fix for the item during one of their maintenances because it&#8217;s not working in combat now.</p>
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		<title>By: Muckbeast</title>
		<link>http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/gaming_industry/sleazy-mmo-marketing-a-growing-disturbing-trend.html/comment-page-2#comment-3578</link>
		<dc:creator>Muckbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Beorn. That is really, really bad. I&#039;ve never heard of pre-order, or directly purchased perk items getting nerfed like that. That&#039;s a TERRIBLE move on their part.

What was the justification? Is an 8 hour cooldown in combat run buff really that strong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Beorn. That is really, really bad. I&#8217;ve never heard of pre-order, or directly purchased perk items getting nerfed like that. That&#8217;s a TERRIBLE move on their part.</p>
<p>What was the justification? Is an 8 hour cooldown in combat run buff really that strong?</p>
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		<title>By: Beorn</title>
		<link>http://www.frogdice.com/muckbeast/gaming_industry/sleazy-mmo-marketing-a-growing-disturbing-trend.html/comment-page-2#comment-3577</link>
		<dc:creator>Beorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord of the Rings Online recently offered an item as part of a promotion to purchase an &quot;adventure pack&quot; and is now set to nerf the item after sales have been made.  

The Adventure pack gave the player 2 extra character slots and some shared storage for their characters.  Two items, a goat and a cloak, with an in combat run speed buff useable every 8 hours, were given free to those that pre-ordered the pack.

Now on the test server the cloak has been nerfed to only allow the run speed buff out of combat making it essentially worthless.

It&#039;s a type of bait and switch, &quot;buy this and you get a free toaster,&quot;  Then they come to your house while you&#039;re sleeping and swap the toaster for a cardboard box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord of the Rings Online recently offered an item as part of a promotion to purchase an &#8220;adventure pack&#8221; and is now set to nerf the item after sales have been made.  </p>
<p>The Adventure pack gave the player 2 extra character slots and some shared storage for their characters.  Two items, a goat and a cloak, with an in combat run speed buff useable every 8 hours, were given free to those that pre-ordered the pack.</p>
<p>Now on the test server the cloak has been nerfed to only allow the run speed buff out of combat making it essentially worthless.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a type of bait and switch, &#8220;buy this and you get a free toaster,&#8221;  Then they come to your house while you&#8217;re sleeping and swap the toaster for a cardboard box.</p>
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		<title>By: Muckbeast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muckbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rogue: &lt;em&gt;&quot;At some point society grew pretty weak minded, IMHO – and accepted spending real money for virtual crap.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Really? And that is stupider than spending money to watch television or movies that are also &quot;virtual&quot;? 

What about people who stupidly waste money on Magic: The Gathering cards, $300 tickets to the opera, or any other form of entertainment someone else likes but you don&#039;t enjoy?

Does it really make someone weak minded when they spend THEIR MONEY on things that make THEM HAPPY? Sounds like anyone doing that is pretty strong minded and is smart enough to spend their money on things that bring them happiness rather than listening to someone else tell them what is acceptable.

It is all too easy to call someone else stupid when they spend money on something that brings them joy and amusement simply because you do not share the same opinion.

Outsider: LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rogue: <em>&#8220;At some point society grew pretty weak minded, IMHO – and accepted spending real money for virtual crap.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Really? And that is stupider than spending money to watch television or movies that are also &#8220;virtual&#8221;? </p>
<p>What about people who stupidly waste money on Magic: The Gathering cards, $300 tickets to the opera, or any other form of entertainment someone else likes but you don&#8217;t enjoy?</p>
<p>Does it really make someone weak minded when they spend THEIR MONEY on things that make THEM HAPPY? Sounds like anyone doing that is pretty strong minded and is smart enough to spend their money on things that bring them happiness rather than listening to someone else tell them what is acceptable.</p>
<p>It is all too easy to call someone else stupid when they spend money on something that brings them joy and amusement simply because you do not share the same opinion.</p>
<p>Outsider: LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Outsider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw something that reminded me of this post.  Apparently now Evony is using women from the cover of a porn DVD on their sign up page:

http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/11/10/evony-porn-girls/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw something that reminded me of this post.  Apparently now Evony is using women from the cover of a porn DVD on their sign up page:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/11/10/evony-porn-girls/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/11/10/evony-porn-girls/</a></p>
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